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REMOVE GRANITE GOLEM
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| Manic | Date: Wednesday, 23-May-2012, 7:07 PM | Message # 31 |
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| Quote (Legal_life) I like 3.5k because I can use them well with hk and uk
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... no shit thats why it should be removed. if u want a stomper to hk get a second hero. wait golem is better than second hero THEN WHY DOES IT EXIST! no creep other than end game (lower than 10k gold) should be better than a hero.
[l]Quote (shinkirou) hahahaha i love like all pussys dont like granite golems hahahahaha
shinkirou...
u say this because u r a dependant. every time i play u u granite me. thats why i leave every game u join. EVERY GAME. the gg is only counterable if the user is a complete scrub. any half decent player (as u have demonstrated) can make gg imortal. especially if u build for it every game (unholy aura lasso u rnt fooling anyone)
Anyone here who says gg is balanced has either not played against it used properly oooor because u r one of the dependants. there should be nothing in the game that people avoid because its cheap.Added (2012-05-23, 8:07 PM)
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Quote (FirNesS) I'm not so stupid I would have taken Divine + Charm and I will be in your base to charm your peasant(s) when the granite will have half of his life or less.
Great plan if the other team tells u their strat. but they dont. u dont know when someones going to get granite golem and if u charm divine every game just in case u either play ssd too much or lose too much. either way buy peasant armor and ur fucked bro.a also heroes can recall just as well. No matter what u do. even without recall. for every team that knows how to counter theirs 2 teams without cannons. yeh in a in house game u can keep it from uking by arcanes and turtles and newts but even then itll get u 10 hks easy and lvl 20. and if u think its not that strong well... u simply dont know how to use it. thats all i have to say. and for all the effort and gold u pour into countering this golem meant time u get bked with chims or hit with pengs or darks or any of the other late game oppurtunities rushing golem unlocks.
STATISTICS!!!
2 newts 350 each 1 gold (500 i think) 2 arcanes (2300 gold slow 3k fast ( if i had granite id hit ur bare towers first bro)) and the cost of replacing everything i kill. (newts die with stomps stuns nukes units etc) well it comes out to 4k. at the very least buy rushing golem i set u back. even if u get me the second i buy it i still come out on top. And if u dont get it right away well then i put u in debt while i bk with dryads. Also 3.5k in mass is easy to get when its ur game winning strategy... get mass wards impale auras etc... however if u have 1k each from mass u cant AFFORD to counter. and ud unlikely be lvl 6 so ur little charm strat is fucked. its cheaper to keep a gg alive than to kill it. ANd if u do get the 4k gold in mass and buy all the creeps units towers etc i just wont atk u. ur gold wasted my gold earned. and unlike your counters mine requires no psychic powers to determine ur strategy ahead of time. just SOP for GG
And most importantly whether balanced or not its too damn easy. the level of skill required to counter does not match of to the requirements to run a GG strategy (a pulse) it is simply not balanced. remove it or the shinkirous of the world will always abuse it
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| Cheesy-Gordia | Date: Wednesday, 23-May-2012, 8:23 PM | Message # 32 |
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| Okay so alot of you have 0 clue what you're talking about and when you all give examples, they are retarded and very planned...........
Okay so the granite golem. It does need to be nerfed because even though it may not be able too kill or do a whole lot of damage, it is very easy too access and you can get access too it very early. Firness and Rosario I wanna reply too you guys since you guys are completely on the opposite side with your opinions.
First off firness. The granite golem when you have everything mean't to counter it is weak... it's common sense, no shit. Everything you get that can counter another obviously is strong. Since most games we are not 100% prepared for a random 3.5k big Cheesy-Gordia appearing, your examples are very terrible ones... You are saying "what if i have tichmez, 2 turtles, a newt, an arcane, etc..." ya nobody ever gets that paranoid about a G-golem until we actually see the big blue Cheesy-Gordia running into your base. G-golem isn't the strongest creep but for it's price and how easy you can get it, it will always be beneficial.
Rosario: Now you are using the G-golem as a hyperbole saying it's like chf's ragnarok. Not necessarily true because it does not take so much too get it out of your base. Thats why I made that fucking thread and showed replays a long time ago as too countering this g-golem problem. Most people pay too much attention to their golems which is why this is your advantage. Make the user forced too multitask like shit. just literally buy 1 newt and 2 golems is all you really necessarily need to perma lock it. If you have frost towers this would be even better. And depending on your build this could work even better. Since I aoe alot this is what I love doing and it works alot. Alot of people cannot multi task that's a fact. Hence with your aoes harass their base while the golem is in another base. Newt golem and shit constantly till they ditch. and if they go too another base just steal their shit when they weaken it. I do it all the time vs mexicans. That's just 1 example. If you claim too use creative builds all the time you've probably played alot of builds that are good vs granite but you just didn't know so.
I agree granite should be nerfed in terms of price and also the stock time. it farms too well too quickly. But it does not bring ragnarok too the universe and such. lower mana, increase price, increase stock time but that' about it. It comes out too soon which is the main problem.Added (2012-05-23, 9:23 PM)
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There's no official counter besides like explosion, FF and MR. that's it for those lazy counters. Use your brain and actually counter it.
And if you can't cuz of no gold sorry you're in the shitter. You cant counter anything with no gold
I hate this n***a actin like jesus - SOUNDWAVES
You don't are pro - Adam_CZ
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| RosarioVampireZ | Date: Wednesday, 23-May-2012, 10:12 PM | Message # 33 |
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| Quote (Cheesy-Gordia) Most people pay too much attention to their golems which is why this is your advantage.
problem is, this is how MEXICANS PLAY WHEN THEY SEE ME GET ANTIGOLEM strat:
1 hero just stays in base or hides in vault (that player ONLY FOCUSES ON G GOLEM FOR THE OTHER 2 PLAYERS)
and thats why..g golem is op
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Quote (Cheesy-Gordia) Make the user forced too multitask like shit. j
chf using multitask? U kidding me? All u need is the hp bar option on and all the hotkeys on and ur set for chf
(or it may just be me cause -_-)
Quote (Cheesy-Gordia) if they go too another base just steal their shit when they weaken it. I do it all the time vs mexicans. That's just 1 example. I
Maybe u havent seen a game where i play with pubs against ftl
all i see is FF ALL OVER ME and 3 bolters waiting for me in case i try to steal kill
and yes, i had ALOT OF TIMES where i countered g golems (a little more than half)
but the thing is, BY THE TIME I COUNTERED IT, THEY ARE FREAKING LVL 10000000000000000000 (idk how i win with this disadvantage)
Quote (Cheesy-Gordia) Thats why I made that fucking thread and showed replays a long time ago as too countering this g-golem problem
replays that u showed didnt help me. I already told u, i try EVERY SINGLE ANTI G GOLEM that is available for me. But that stupid ff or bolts or lassos or unholy or recall just SHUTS me off. AOE has limits on feeding too.
If mexicans realize what ur doing, they FEED OFF UR BASE. and make sure ur hero is ALWAYS dead.
other words: G golem NEEDS NERF in every way. Stocktime is one of the main reason. the HP and defense and the lvl 5 spell too
to fir: I remember a game where u lost to g golems in my alt ^^
of course i was in alt but just saying ^^, if u cant stop me from using it (with 2 idiots in team), how u gonna stop g golem with stacked teams?
and about multitask:
ITS EASY TO MULTITASK CHF. Anyone who cant just s3ck and shouldnt play this game
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| Cou | Date: Wednesday, 23-May-2012, 10:28 PM | Message # 34 |
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| Ragnarok!!! lmao ahaha thnx alot, I got that in my head all day. Yer cheesy should be nerfed haw haw
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| Cheesy-Gordia | Date: Wednesday, 23-May-2012, 10:51 PM | Message # 35 |
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| Rosario you are talking in a completely different situation... FF can't be countered I thought you knew that. That spell wins games 90% of the time no matter your build.. Added (2012-05-23, 11:51 PM)
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Im surprised not many people talk about FF. Should be 4.0a main concer, nerfing this fucking stupid shit.
I hate this n***a actin like jesus - SOUNDWAVES
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| ic3dt3a | Date: Wednesday, 23-May-2012, 11:55 PM | Message # 36 |
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| Quote (Cheesy-Gordia) Im surprised not many people talk about FF. Should be 4.0a main concer, nerfing this fucking stupid shit.
ff should be a cross between silence and entangling roots
http://chf.ucoz.com/forum/71-3499-61942-16-1396993348
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| RosarioVampireZ | Date: Thursday, 24-May-2012, 0:13 AM | Message # 37 |
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| Quote (ic3dt3a) ff should be a cross between silence and entangling roots
http://customherolinewars.pbworks.com
All of these solutions are found in:
http://chf.ucoz.com/forum/48-2404-1#41804
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| FirNesS | Date: Thursday, 24-May-2012, 5:41 AM | Message # 38 |
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| Quote (RosarioVampireZ) You fed me with free herokills at start so red isnt to blame. You helped me level up that far ^^
Pathetic lies.
Quote (RosarioVampireZ) Coiling and fire bolting hero kills. MY TEAMMATE AND ME HAD THE MOST HK IN GAME.
Not enough to be lvl 16 so quickly.
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| RosarioVampireZ | Date: Thursday, 24-May-2012, 6:24 AM | Message # 39 |
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| Quote (FirNesS)
Not enough to be lvl 16 so quickly.
i was first to achieve lvl 16
then my ally
lol
Quote (FirNesS) Pathetic lies.
truths! u just interchange me right nxt to heros or units with red hp. I thought it was pretty funny actually
xD
and firness, im guessing this case is closed since:
ur changing topic since u realized g golem is op...lol
i understand u 
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| FirNesS | Date: Thursday, 24-May-2012, 6:55 AM | Message # 40 |
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| It's not.
I just did a game where I was g goleming. I had really early 2 granites, I was with one good guy against Doof43 / doof40 / a guy who was mauling with jaood and they were mass pooling / teching / mass tp. They had 4 arcanes (pink 2 arcanes, grey 1, green 1), 2 newts and one hero with xmute. I was in t4 feeding, and I didnt see the xmute man coming in my base. He xmuted my peasant that had recall. Then I hit t3 with my granites and my inferno, cause pink had like 979098767890 trolls and I wanted to feed. I was losing HP quickly cause they had tichmeh. And one of my granite died, really easily.
This is a perfect exemple that prooves granite isn't that good. Once again, ofc it's kinda op, but it doesn't need a huge nerf.
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| RosarioVampireZ | Date: Thursday, 24-May-2012, 7:02 AM | Message # 41 |
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| Quote (FirNesS) It's not.
I just did a game where I was g goleming. I had really early 2 granites, I was with one good guy against Doof43 / doof40 / a guy who was mauling with jaood and they were mass pooling / teching / mass tp. They had 4 arcanes (pink 2 arcanes, grey 1, green 1), 2 newts and one hero with xmute. I was in t4 feeding, and I didnt see the xmute man coming in my base. He xmuted my peasant that had recall. Then I hit t3 with my granites and my inferno, cause pink had like 979098767890 trolls and I wanted to feed. I was losing HP quickly cause they had tichmeh. And one of my granite died, really easily.
This is a perfect exemple that prooves granite isn't that good. Once again, ofc it's kinda op, but it doesn't need a huge nerf.
ur fault for not getting peasant armour or spell shield
any top player woulda not done this
but ya.. unless ur vsing
pure mexican stacked team/cheezy/me/sound/amadacius/cou/jstx/and a few others (too lazy to think of more..lol) will nvr had fallen for this fail
and when u GO G GOLEM SOMETHING, u usually take nova to fk off all techs with their attacks
but then again..maybe i just know the game mechanics too much..lolAdded (2012-05-24, 8:02 AM)
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Do not say something is not op just bcause u cant use it properly.
No, G GOLEM IS OP
And i have a question
WHAT WERE U DOING LETTING PINK GET SO MUCH UNITS?
^^ the fact that this happened means u need to improve more ^^
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| FirNesS | Date: Thursday, 24-May-2012, 7:03 AM | Message # 42 |
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| Quote (RosarioVampireZ) amadacius
Wut
Quote (RosarioVampireZ) and when u GO G GOLEM SOMETHING, u usually take nova to fk off all techs with their attacks
I had Unholly / Nova / Serpents / Inferno
Quote (RosarioVampireZ)
ur fault for not getting peasant armour or spell shield
any top player woulda not done this
but ya.. unless ur vsing
pure mexican stacked team/cheezy/me/sound/amadacius/cou/jstx/and a few others (too lazy to think of more..lol) will nvr had fallen for this fail
I didn't know they had xmute. I had never seen him using it. Btw my peasant was invisible.
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| RosarioVampireZ | Date: Thursday, 24-May-2012, 7:04 AM | Message # 43 |
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| Quote (FirNesS) They had 4 arcanes (pink 2 arcanes, grey 1, green 1), 2 newts and one hero with xmute.
Quote (FirNesS) pink had like 979098767890 trolls
wow..just to defeat a single g golem
u fail to realize how hard they worked
4 arcane JUST THERE is more than g golem cost 4.5k?
and 2 newts? LOL already like what? 600?
and trolls? 2.4k?
and feed risk? 1k?
hmm let me add that
4.5k + 600 + 2.4k + 1k = 8.5k JUST TO STOP 3.5k unit which u probably lvled ALOT from and GOLD from
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| FirNesS | Date: Thursday, 24-May-2012, 11:41 AM | Message # 44 |
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| They fed off t2 and t4 in early game, and I was afk for 3 mins just after mass.
In any case I won this game, ofc.
And don't forget they mass pooled. Even the mauler didn't have items
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| RosarioVampireZ | Date: Thursday, 24-May-2012, 12:07 PM | Message # 45 |
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| Quote (FirNesS) And don't forget they mass pooled. Even the mauler didn't have items
OF COURSE THEY MASS POOLED
THERES A FREAKING G GOLEM
and im pretty sure they had more STUFFS to counter g golem (failure in beginning)
so i think they basically spent like 15k for that 1 g golem
so in summary:
IT TAKES AROUND 5 TIMES THE COST OF G GOLEM TO COUNTER IT EARLY GAME WITH LUCK THAT IT ISNT RECALLED
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