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| XXkillerbeansXX | Date: Monday, 09-Apr-2012, 1:13 AM | Message # 1 |
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| well, i have a few ideas that could be used. maybe make a special devour on the lizzard at 400 dps for 30 sec to be used only on granites, or give arcanes a 7.5 sec ensnare usable only on granite or something. post ur ideas.
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| FirNesS | Date: Monday, 09-Apr-2012, 1:17 AM | Message # 2 |
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| Granites are easily killable, don't need to change anything on arcanes or on lizzards.
The counters :
Yamato / Dralliance / Newts / teching / golems and bears(stun) / tichmeh / forcefield / explosion / arcanes.
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| Cou | Date: Monday, 09-Apr-2012, 1:20 AM | Message # 3 |
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| It wouldn't be fair if a 450 counter could stop a 3500 unit. Though I like the idea of the arcane idea but if that was implemented you can be sure they'll build a vault and tp recall.
My suggestion is changing the armour to heavy and reduce 500 off the HP and making it non-recallable via tp of recall.
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| FirNesS | Date: Monday, 09-Apr-2012, 1:25 AM | Message # 4 |
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| Reduce the HP would mean that you could kill them only with yamato... WTF lol...
Seriously, make them a bit less op, but they need to be as resistant as now. I think war stomp should do 150 dmg instead of 200 and their cost should be 4200 (or something like this).Added (2012-04-09, 2:25 AM)
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Quote (Cou) Though I like the idea of the arcane idea
Aw. If Bond gives arcanes a net, then it would encourage people to use mind rape. Bad idea I think. MR is already enough op.
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| XXkillerbeansXX | Date: Monday, 09-Apr-2012, 1:43 AM | Message # 5 |
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| Quote (FirNesS) Granites are easily killable, don't need to change anything on arcanes or on lizzards.
The counters :
Yamato / Dralliance / Newts / teching / golems and bears(stun) / tichmeh / forcefield / explosion / arcanes.
many of these require specific strats that u need to use to kill it. the only easy ones to do are newt + frost + arcane.
how often do u take any of these abilities other then ff and maybe explosion. tichmez doesnt do much unless u have bears + range tech + newt + stuns. yamato doesnt do much as it is spell resistant. drilliance is only good vs granite. nearly nothing else except BA(aoe ww is single spurts of huge mana).
Quote (FirNesS) If Bond gives arcanes a net, then it would encourage people to use mind rape.
Quote (XXkillerbeansXX) 7.5 sec ensnare usable only on granite or something |
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| FirNesS | Date: Monday, 09-Apr-2012, 2:06 AM | Message # 6 |
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| Quote (XXkillerbeansXX) 7.5 sec ensnare usable only on granite or something
Oh, didn't the end of the sentence. But I'm still against it.
Quote (XXkillerbeansXX) many of these require specific strats that u need to use to kill it.
Not necessarily. Golems don't cost much, many people take bears, many people take yamato (I don't), at least one guy per game techs, newts are cheap, force field is ALWAYS taken (lol), explosion is common, arcane is easy to get.
Tichmeh is more uncommon ya, but depends for who. When I tech, I often get Lasso / Unholly / Tichmeh. With this build, I've played 2 games against "pros" (I mean was a 3v3 with fair teams) and in one of the two someone had granite. I killed it ONLY with Tichmeh / Raiders (I had a lot of raiders with 10 attack and like 8 of life) and 2 newts ---> lol true story.
Anyway, granite golem is op and of course needs to be nerfed. I really often take it and even if it now cost 6 of food it's still op. 
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| SOUNDWAVES | Date: Monday, 09-Apr-2012, 8:34 AM | Message # 7 |
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| actually granit doesn't have proper counter. you all know that you can dispel clone turtle so don't mention it.
mass upgrad units are out of topic cuz corresponding time doesn't match since granit cost only 3.5k and stock cd is short.
ofc lv3 explosion *2 or lv3 yamato can but I don't think it's reasonable counter neither. Because builds are set while granit is choosable at every game.
So to be balanced..
before touching granit balance..
remittance should be restricted till 20min from game start.
because granit is one of the best counter against mass pool.
and then increase granit stock cd bit more
last thing. change granit unit type to mechanic, so it can't be healed by holy light and healing wave
then balancing about granit golem would be perfect. bond won't listen tho hahaha
p.s) even tho granit is strong, 450 gold shouldn't counter 3500
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I've buried 92,245,252 nubs on chf field by using shammies.
I guess stock cd should be longer, just like newt. (newt became shit so reduce stock cd plz.)
just lv1 banish with 2~3 coil can rape newbies while they are intensing on mass
Rest in Peace Rookies
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| RosarioVampireZ | Date: Monday, 09-Apr-2012, 10:25 AM | Message # 8 |
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| Nothing can counter a stacked team with g golem. When I say nothing, i mean it.
U and pubs vs stacked mass pool g golem
U have no hope. Every time hp gets below half, they WILL use tp and make u start ALL over again.
So far => Effective counter was "GET FORCEFIELD EVERY GAME". Since you dont know when they will g golem.
#1. Get to lvl 6 no matter what 
#2. Buy deathly wards for this is DEATH AND DECAY. % is best against HIGH HPED UNIT
#3. Get an ARCANE.
#4. Get either frost or turtle (turtle saying they dont raid ur base...lol)
#5. Moment golem is near ur base, NEWT IT!
#6. Drop Deathly Wards A.S.A.P. (Saying that they dont get dispel, if they do...ur f-ed)
#7. Moment newt net cd almost ends, USE UR FORCEFIELD
#8. Drop another deathly wards, and newts and see the magic happen!
#9. U WILL SEE A 1 HP G GOLEM!! (lol) GETTING TPED 
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| XXkillerbeansXX | Date: Monday, 09-Apr-2012, 10:32 AM | Message # 9 |
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| Quote (SOUNDWAVES) I guess stock cd should be longer
definitely. now i kinda hate playing vs cou because its shammies every game instead of golems :P. they dhould also max out with food at 2-3 shams.
Quote (RosarioVampireZ) So far => Effective counter was "GET FORCEFIELD EVERY GAME". Since you dont know when they will g golem.
#1. Get to lvl 6 no matter what
#2. Buy deathly wards for this is DEATH AND DECAY. % is best against HIGH HPED UNIT
#3. Get an ARCANE.
#4. Get either frost or turtle (turtle saying they dont raid ur base...lol)
#5. Moment golem is near ur base, NEWT IT!
#6. Drop Deathly Wards A.S.A.P. (Saying that they dont get dispel, if they do...ur f-ed)
#7. Moment newt net cd almost ends, USE UR FORCEFIELD
#8. Drop another deathly wards, and newts and see the magic happen!
#9. U WILL SEE A 1 HP G GOLEM!! (lol) GETTING TPED
a few things wrong with this. first only certain players remember to get a base vault so while the granite is dieing, they try to make a vault and tp it but it doesnt work. 2nd, theyll just attack the ward, 3rd this requires FF every game. rest is fine :P.
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| RosarioVampireZ | Date: Monday, 09-Apr-2012, 10:37 AM | Message # 10 |
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| Quote (XXkillerbeansXX) a few things wrong with this. first only certain players remember to get a base vault so while the granite is dieing, they try to make a vault and tp it but it doesnt work.
The tp can tp ur golem IN ANYWHERE, ANYTIME! Its EBAY
Quote (XXkillerbeansXX) 2nd, theyll just attack the ward
Quote (XXkillerbeansXX) Saying that they dont get dispel, if they do...ur f-ed
i was trying to say that...(usually try putting wards inside ff if possible)
Quote (XXkillerbeansXX) 3rd this requires FF every game.
i havent seen a team without ff these days. ff is the only spell i get now! (and transmute)Added (2012-04-09, 11:34 AM)
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GET ON RIGHT NOW EAST! lol Added (2012-04-09, 11:37 AM)
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Wished tt works on g golems. Then i wouldnt be saying g golems were op..LOL
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| FirNesS | Date: Monday, 09-Apr-2012, 10:59 AM | Message # 11 |
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| Quote (XXkillerbeansXX) a few things wrong with this. first only certain players remember to get a base vault so while the granite is dieing, they try to make a vault and tp it but it doesnt work.
All decent players who get granite also buy pez + vault + recall.
Quote (XXkillerbeansXX) 2nd, theyll just attack the ward
It's hard for them, and they don't kill it in one shot.
Quote (XXkillerbeansXX) 3rd this requires FF every game
As Rosa said, FF is now in top 3 of most op ultis, so many many people get it, including me.
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I haven't seen a game without force field for one month I think lol.
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| RosarioVampireZ | Date: Monday, 09-Apr-2012, 11:04 AM | Message # 12 |
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| Good thing deathly wards disappears after 3 to 4 shots by HERO. (around 7 shots by footmen) and there is
3 charges!!!! only way to stop deathly wards + ff = dispel
Manually destroying it takes TOO much time
and as for fir,,
IM LAUGHING AT SOMETHING..U KNOW WHAT 
Comedians all around my PM.!!! lol
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| FirNesS | Date: Monday, 09-Apr-2012, 11:12 AM | Message # 13 |
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| xD He is sooooooo funny...
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| RosarioVampireZ | Date: Monday, 09-Apr-2012, 11:19 AM | Message # 14 |
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| Quote (FirNesS) xD He is sooooooo funny...
NOT JUST FUNNY! HE IS HILARIOUSLY STUPID TOO!Added (2012-04-09, 12:19 PM)
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i <3 youtube.
If u know what i mean
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| SecreT-Name- | Date: Monday, 09-Apr-2012, 12:23 PM | Message # 15 |
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| Quote (RosarioVampireZ) HE IS HILARIOUSLY STUPID TOO!
Hahahaha ! Poor of him
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