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| a_chinese_kid | Date: Thursday, 08-Sep-2011, 8:31 AM | Message # 136 |
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| Quote (SOUNDWAVES) 3rd at every each level, the fastest creep cleaned team takes some bonus golds . whether their creeps are stealed or not.
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| LittleB | Date: Thursday, 08-Sep-2011, 9:33 AM | Message # 137 |
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| Quote (2DaYuDiE) pfff ur not even near my lvl, dont comment on my builds plz... i dont like playing with hotkeys and zoom so im not gonne use some crappy micro-like-bs, which doesnt say much anyway in chf
ps: there arent any good original builds anymore, its all been done before
ww carrion shockwave infernal ;DAdded (2011-09-08, 10:33 Am)
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p.s. no micro no skill
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| 2DaYuDiE | Date: Thursday, 08-Sep-2011, 9:43 AM | Message # 138 |
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ww carrion shockwave infernal ;D
i dont remember using this... i use ww carrion shockwave and infernal alot, but not together =D
Quote (LittleB) p.s. no micro no skill
lmao, like chf micro is somehow hard... my connection is just too laggy for it anyway
people call running arround with a newt and some feeding units micro in chf... and i usually play with total nubs, who dont even pool or share, so ww is nice to make a comeback after mass =)
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| SOUNDWAVES | Date: Thursday, 08-Sep-2011, 10:34 AM | Message # 139 |
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| Quote (LittleB) ww carrion shockwave infernal ;D
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p.s. no micro no skill
Lot of ppl uses banshees or rifle or golems with newt and thinks they are pro.
but this is really easy and everybody can do it. These are not micro. Talking about micro in chf is ridiculous.
Like what Arctty said before. CHF is more about strategy and timing. Plus macro.
also lots of ppl saying that ww is for noob But I havent heard about this from real pro players.
Do you? then let me know, which one is that?
Rest in Peace Rookies
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| LittleB | Date: Thursday, 08-Sep-2011, 10:57 AM | Message # 140 |
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| Quote (2DaYuDiE) i dont remember using this... i use ww carrion shockwave and infernal alot, but not together =D
i got the replay where u did, u stacked team and went 2 hero and told the other guy to get the same build just to beat me and lizzy =D
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| Gaunt | Date: Thursday, 08-Sep-2011, 11:33 AM | Message # 141 |
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| check lasso+shadow strike+entangling roots = slow still slowing death =P whatever... altar 20k cost...
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| Bond009 | Date: Thursday, 08-Sep-2011, 12:15 PM | Message # 142 |
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| Just wanna say there is the possibility to be more micro in CHF than ladder its just not practical to do. theres more units/creep that have more ability's to cast, more items to use, more strategy's more spells.
ladder requires you to use more micro on average just because its mandatory to have a large army but i have seen late game ppl running around and win a game with a high lvl blademaster and rape a whole base lol
I agree running around with units or golems isnt a ton of micro but compare it directly to ladder where you have a few knights, gunmen, sorceress, and spell breakers with the AM and MK heros. I am pretty pro at both these games and while ladder is more risk while wondering around while you creep in the darkness becuz unless you have high upkeep you never know if someone is going to come along and totally out match you with a huge army or come with an army that is the perfect counter to yours but the only extra micro in ladder than chf is having to target specific units with their countering units with different grouped units. i use my guns to target their magic and my magic to target their heavy melee and my melee to target their ranged units with normal armor etc.. other than this you could walk around with a shaman newt golems and a rat and it would require alot of micro to use properly as well. I know in chf i have to use more hotkeys and grouped keys than in ladder, theres much more going on at the intense moments and more to do than possible sometimes.
also a neat thing on strategy aspects is you can sometimes come back from nothing in chf if you play good and buy time.
if you're vs'ing a pro ladder player this isnt possible in 1v1 if you get in a huge fight and lose your whole army and heros in a big battle thats pretty much gg. the units train way too slow and cost alot and gold comes too slow to truly recover for you to get it back to put up a fight when they come to rape your empty base unless you are orc and have 30 towers in which case you have most your gold tied up in that..
anyway aside from you have to target certain units with your units that counter their armor best how is there far more micro in ladder?
I see it as ladder has more macro with managing your base(s) and training and upgrading
-but CHF has alot of strategy,
-timing..but ladder has important timing also just because everythings so slow..in fact i would say timing can be just as important as micro in ladder which is why maphack is by far cheaper in ladder than in CHF
-knowledge of the game is very important which makes the learning curve,
-they both require a lot of micro given the strategy being used
Quote (SOUNDWAVES) Talking about micro in chf is ridiculous.
I just wanna say this what do you think the major difference between a pro and a pub is?
knowledge of the game/strategy ability and great micro ability
Edit:
just wanted to add that you also cant really compare 1v1 ladder to 3v3v3v3 chf you have to compare it to ladder 3v3 which is just a mass cluster fuk lol
you can see its not hard to mass pool and get strong t3 units and come mow a base down with auras and buffs but same thing happens in ladder buying time and mass pooling undead to mass frost dragons or something to that affect and if done fast enough has the same outcome 
ladder is more balanced and focused to be 1v1 or 2v2 but it has the option for other game types like 3v3 and 4v4
CHF is more balanced and focused for 3v3's but it has the option for other game types like 1v1 2v2 6v6 etc
Its just what the game is designed to be
Im just saying this because i think chf is downplayed more than it should be compared to the almighty ladder, theres not as big of a gap as you may think.
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| LittleB | Date: Thursday, 08-Sep-2011, 1:12 PM | Message # 143 |
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| exactly bond, but i put micro in every map even if its just 1 unit
one of my famous hero killing strats in chf
buy cloak of shadows
tech ne tier 1 and upgrade attack
buy the eclipse potion thingy
go to somewhere on map likely for someone to pass
use potion and press H
when sombody right in the middle of them, press M than select the enemy( so hes surronded) than attack
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| a_chinese_kid | Date: Thursday, 08-Sep-2011, 5:05 PM | Message # 144 |
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| lol famous... not really. that start is old dude have you ever played ladder?
NO ONE SHOULD BRAG ABOUT MICRO SKILLS UNLESS THEY PLAY LADDER!!!!
ww is not noob! just cause you can't counter even with all the sentries doesn't mean they are noob for using! then you say that its a waste of a spell! WElL YOU LOST TO A HERO WITH A "WASTED SPELL" so shut up.
bryan quit being a cocky ass i know for a fact kids that don't micro could beat you and i know that heles a better player then you.
there are so many counters to "micro" chf micro isn't micro when all you have to micro is 2 units spells its easy as hell! bryan i hear you constantly brag about micro! MICROING ONE UNIT IS NOT MICRO! that would mean earlier you are saying that everyone that can use there hero is a pro cause they can apparently micro.
bond there is a huge gap between chf and ladder. you buy units you have to tier to get shit you don't rely on hero you don't get gold when you kill units you need to use multiple units you build towers and bases etc. you have to expand the map is huge theres something called fog of war theres something called actual micro skills. DONT come around saying that microing with bought units that have tons of damage stun etc is even in comparison to using grunts to kill a hero. have you seen any microers in chf that use a preset build and rape with it? its not customizable you can't use spells like you do in chf. all you and chf people think ladder is is playing with each other... you guys aren't even in comparison to actual ladders even the ammeters all of you farmed your wins for icons you didn't earn it. so don't talk like ladder is the same as chf the only same thing is the fact that its on the same game platform
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| Pyo-LizZoO | Date: Thursday, 08-Sep-2011, 6:05 PM | Message # 145 |
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| Quote (Bond009) I am pretty pro at both these game
you are pretty pro in ladder?  sorry not even close. (im also not even close to semi-pro, never was)
Quote (Bond009) but the only extra micro in ladder than chf is having to target specific units with their countering units with different grouped units.
thats wrong , for example if you going FE with Hu and you do a Push to distract the enemy from your FE but hes their with his BM you have to micro your push , your workers near the FE + militia , and you have to produce new units + mb towers and more Farms. (for units/heroes you have at least 5 different unit groups + groups for buildungs)
Quote (Bond009) i have to use more hotkeys in chf
no. not if you reached a some kind of an (europe/asian) average ladder skilllevel ;p
pew pew - hele killer style
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| Bond009 | Date: Thursday, 08-Sep-2011, 7:26 PM | Message # 146 |
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| lol lizz i know, i didnt mean im pro at ladder i just meant compared to this community overall.. i have beat you before and can sometimes give ya a run for your money but you and sound are better than me im sure.
But the point im trying to make is, "Talking about micro in chf is ridiculous." that line is a bit overboard from my viewpoint
Im just saying i use 1-6 group keys and micromanage a shit ton of things everytime i play and sometimes im forced to use all 1-0 sub-group hotkeys to manage a ton of different shit very smoothly.. i have never been forced to use more than 4-5 group keys in ladder.. (i know im not super pro ladder just saying)
My only point here is that CHF actually has alot of micromanaging to do which is why every one is at a different skill level and has different things they do.. If what you guys say is true then my sister or 9000 should be able to beat any of you because they have a pretty fair knowledge of the game but not much micro.. so lizz if you are trying to claim your micro ability's dont help you win games in CHF then tell me that now? lol
Im not trying to downplay ladder here.. ladder is awesome.. but dont down play CHF they are completely different game types.. completely different.. theres damn near close to nothing you can compare between the 2 games.. they both have a ton of micro in their own ways. but the difference is theres some strats in chf that require very little micro and on average most ladder starts require more on average (although the tower strat requires none) lol
thats all im trying to say here.. im just tired of hearing ppl always saying theres no micro in chf becuz there is plenty believe me.. (maybe i just feel this way because im always doing the work of 3 players when i play with my normal team though.. lol)
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| Cheesy-Gordia | Date: Thursday, 08-Sep-2011, 9:35 PM | Message # 147 |
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| Quote (13riNgiToN) ps: there arent any good original builds anymore, its all been done before
Its calculated to have like 125000 builds dude.
I hate this n***a actin like jesus - SOUNDWAVES
You don't are pro - Adam_CZ
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| SOUNDWAVES | Date: Thursday, 08-Sep-2011, 9:47 PM | Message # 148 |
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| lol bond it sound plausible. though I have to agree with this point "I just wanna say this what do you think the major difference between a pro and a pub is?
knowledge of the game/strategy ability" but not micro part.
You don't have to check pro or semi-pro ladder players. Just look at the average or little bit lower than average ladder players control.
while they fight, they control every single units. when 1 unit is targeted by enemy then gotta move back behind during fight.
also ground attack or just selet whole unit(or sup-group unit) and attacking one hero or unit isnt micro. during fight, you gotta set and control every single units attack targets.
And most of each units have their own skill (except barrack units), so they also control every single skills.
It is same to 3v3 and 4v4.
Micro control in ladder is one of the biggest part. even units number are less than enemy if you win at fight by micro. you almost got that game.
like you said before comeback from nothing is possible in chf but not in ladder.
So that's the importance of micro control and that's why ladder players intense and concentrate on micro control.
Atm strategy is not that big part in ladder. because wc3 have been passed almost 10 year so lots of ppl knows others strategy.(should call this "build")
just 1st scout( before hero) can find out others strategy(build).
so back to chf. though you have to control units but spells are too strong so units are dying at once, there are only less chance to save units.
about goleming. though you have to control these rocks but I don't call this "Micro" control. it's just control unit
from my experience, micro control is no needed in chf. But like you said "there is the possibility" , "its just not practical to do"
Whatever I am not disparaging CHF. just saying. Chf and ladder have different point to get victory. At least "micro control" isnt.
Rest in Peace Rookies
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| Cheesy-Gordia | Date: Thursday, 08-Sep-2011, 9:49 PM | Message # 149 |
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| Unit control is still technically micro you know that right?
Thats the definition of micro
Micro = Unit or hero or army control
Macro = Economy. (Buying, selling, spending, upgrading, building etc etc)
I just thought I should put the confusion away now.
You all make micro seem like it HAS TO BE with 13245657665342 and make every units cost efficient by pulling them back when they're being attacked. It can be with 1324565 units, or simply just one. Its still micro.
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| XXkillerbeansXX | Date: Thursday, 08-Sep-2011, 9:58 PM | Message # 150 |
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| must i remention that wc3 micro is laughable compared to sc2? its hilarious
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