remove coil or nerf it down to 250 heal/125 damage(which is still stronger than death coil lvl 1. . .)
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I wanted a difference style for charm... (btw, i modified it a little cause I thought some of my ideas were too rigged :P ) Lvl 1: ehh! Lvl 2: Blank golem, golem, shaman, peasant, jammy Lvl 3: priest, wizzard
so a priest and/or wizard is more useful than a golem? wtf dude. . .
Lvl 1: shams, goat, tech(tier 0-3), wizard(these already have spell block. . .) Lvl 2: Blank golem(but add bloodlust back to it :D), jammy, peasant, priest (tier 0-4), newts(i still think it should be split into 2 types, 1 for net takes 100% physical damage and 1 for dispel, takes straight up spell damage) Lvl 3: tier 5, zeps(trololol ur donation)
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Anyways, whats the point of ults like ressurection? It's CD is super long and its waste of free spell ... lol
no, its like "YAY, we got him, lets go kick some ass in the middle" players leave "oh shit he's back!"
in 4.2 and 5.4, it was awesome to get tc max lvl and have 2 ankhs of reincarnaiton + ur ulti. http://chf.ucoz.com/forum/71-3499-61942-16-1396993348
Message edited by ic3dt3a - Friday, 31-Jan-2014, 5:15 PM
This absolutely KILLS balance. No offense but shamans charmable level 1? Now, what's the point of creeps? And the current shaman just needs to do 50 less damage. And wizard, make it 3. And Goat, CHARMABLE? Dude, WHO ON THEIR RIGHT MIND GETS GOAT? JUST LET THEM KEEP IT. Seriously, goat is useless. It's just already free gold to transmute (u can say like "tier units scrolled etc" but at end, i say for price, its useless cause free transmute)
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Lvl 2: Blank golem(but add bloodlust back to it :D), jammy, peasant, priest (tier 0-4), newts(i still think it should be split into 2 types, 1 for net takes 100% physical damage and 1 for dispel, takes straight up spell damage)
This would literally make newts next to useless. Make newts only counterable by Doom Guards level 2+ Why? Cause we need people to take other spells like doom guards too. This isnt "charm wars". Don't kill 4.1 with "charm wars" And blank golems BLOODLUSTED BACK? WTF? No, just let them be charmable
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Lvl 3: tier 5, zeps(trololol ur donation)
No. Zeps are mechanical units. You shouldn't be able to charm them. Maybe doom guard lvl 3 them but seriously, charm shouldn't be made op. I don't want infinity charms next version.
Ic3d, in my point of view, your "balance" only just makes charm imba and makes 4.1 even worse. Notice the current trend in chf like Cheesy said....in chf forum, if 1 thing is not used (like fire strike), next version, it becomes SO FREAKING OP
Message edited by RosarioVampireZ - Friday, 31-Jan-2014, 11:22 PM
so a priest and/or wizard is more useful than a golem? wtf dude. . . No, I made them level 3 because 1. Most people don't get it.
jsut because most people dont get them they should be higher level to charm? wtf? this doesn't make sense. its like saying: jsut because no one buys peanut butter, we should raise the price.
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Quote ic3dt3a () Lvl 1: shams, goat, tech(tier 0-3), wizard(these already have spell block. . .) This absolutely KILLS balance. No offense but shamans charmable level 1? Now, what's the point of creeps? And the current shaman just needs to do 50 less damage.
shamans are charmable level 1, people just dont get it often. like u stated earlier, its unfair to all non-undead heroes who cant instant heal themselves with a creep. it is stronger than lvl 1 death coil. if you recall in 5.4(well not sure if u played that, but lets assume u did) people(myself included) would just get 2 shamans at the beginning along with a jammy and just nuke heros. you'd ahve ur gold back quickly, especially at the mass on there since u could cast lighnting shield also(most ppl don't even do it on here) oh yeah, lighnint shield is stronger than lvl 1 zoz also...
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(u can say like "tier units scrolled etc" but at end, i say for price, its useless cause free transmute)
goat has truesight and is tiny, does 2 chaos damage(i think?) and has bash. i sometimes use it for speed on turtle + newt, then net + clone-> devour, then use speed scroll to send clone back to base.
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And blank golems BLOODLUSTED BACK? WTF? No, just let them be charmable
i meant as in revert them back to NORMAL blank golems, i think they had cleave and bloodlust. INSTEAD of the ones we have wth chaos and techable ATTACK and DEF. I've been abusing the shit out of these lately with hunts and they eat everything.(i;ve also gotten bked due to have 19 attack on hunts, lol)
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This would literally make newts next to useless. Make newts only counterable by Doom Guards level 2+
what is ur fascination with doom guard, lol. most people dont care for it and only get it in -ars. i've picked it like 3 or 4 times and used on my unit to send to a base then stomp and aoe with them(alternating) and using my hero also. it's a boring ulti rosa. like big bad voodoo, most people don't get this but it rapes, get night elf, max range and stay just outside their base and cast it, its almost like a cheap ward of the gods(just make sure they don't silence or stun you)
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Lvl 3: tier 5, zeps(trololol ur donation) No. Zeps are mechanical units. You shouldn't be able to charm them. Maybe doom guard lvl 3 them but seriously, charm shouldn't be made op.
i think u can charm demos?
rosa, not every1 is going to get charm anyways. if you look at it now, most people dont use creeps and those that do, do a poor job(just look at my gameplay). people rather get transmute and just get rid of the threat, than take the unit and leave it in their base OR possible lose it to a transmute(i've done this also, for a while people started getting charm to take my shams and jammy and then i would xmute the jammy, would kind of bait them)
flamestrike is another topic, but to nerf it, just increase the cd OR mana cost. since it rapes at mass, how about making the mana cost like close to the hero with lowest mana(including jaood amulet). that way they have to get mana items to boost their reserves. http://chf.ucoz.com/forum/71-3499-61942-16-1396993348
jsut because most people dont get them they should be higher level to charm? wtf? this doesn't make sense. its like saying: jsut because no one buys peanut butter, we should raise the price.
If a unit that no one even bothers to use is being lowered to be even more easily countered, what's the point of the creep then? To be EVEN MORE USELESS? It's called logic. It's already almost useless. Making it weaker would only result the creep to not be used at all.
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shamans are charmable level 1, people just dont get it often.
It's probably level 2 or at least it should be.
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it is stronger than lvl 1 death coil.
Let it be for chf players to continuously buy these creeps. Yes, I think the damage output is too high but lowering the damage severely will kill chf balance and current strats.
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people(myself included) would just get 2 shamans at the beginning along with a jammy and just nuke heros.
This does not happen in 5.4 irl. Yes, in 5.4 full of pubs, ya, but not 5.4 with a few decent players 5.4 pros are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than chf pros. No offense but their micro is crazy. Most pros in 5.4 were former pros in competitive ladder. Trust me, I was r4ped in 5.4 so often due to their expertise with block micro, surround micro, etc. (and their flawless teamwork)
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goat has truesight and is tiny, does 2 chaos damage(i think?) and has bash. i sometimes use it for speed on turtle + newt, then net + clone-> devour, then use speed scroll to send clone back to base.
575 gold better wasted on something else. Seriously, goat = 575 is ripoff. Heck even rats are much better use than this stupid goat. 2 damage, SERIOUSLY? 5% bash? for 575 gold? Now that's super rip off. Wait...how much was that op blank golem again??? OMG and it has cleave, high attack, dispel, immunity, and CHAOS damage too And better yet, each upgrade on attack on blank golem = more mass damage
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i meant as in revert them back to NORMAL blank golems, i think they had cleave and bloodlust. INSTEAD of the ones we have wth chaos and techable ATTACK and DEF. I've been abusing the shit out of these lately with hunts and they eat everything.(i;ve also gotten bked due to have 19 attack on hunts, lol)
Both options sound op :l
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what is ur fascination with doom guard, lol. most people dont care for it and only get it in -ars.
BECAUSE we want to BALANCE the game so EVERY spell is somewhat useful. Heck, do you care about balance :\
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rosa, not every1 is going to get charm anyways. if you look at it now, most people dont use creeps and those that do, do a poor job(just look at my gameplay). people rather get transmute and just get rid of the threat, than take the unit and leave it in their base OR possible lose it to a transmute(i've done this also, for a while people started getting charm to take my shams and jammy and then i would xmute the jammy, would kind of bait them)
Last time I was talking about charm I was tired and didn't took step back. Perhaps to conclude with this thread :
1/ Shaman Nerf coil to 300 dmg instead of 350 and change to a different looking coil that can target all heros not just humans. No heal allowed for undead and human heroes.
2/ Charm Plz, I don't want heard this stupid argue anymore "Charm will be op vs creeps if it's can charm fast everything". This is the whole point of charm damm ! If you see your opponent has charm just change your strategy and his ultimate will be totally useless. It's allow more game strategy. For now, current and common tactics are to get gay and op spells for mass. Then players keep their advantage with op creeps but I don't see any skills in it. For example, Charm lvl 2 on shaman would be pointless because they are efficient in early lvls.
Lvl 2 : Turtle (no xmute), Rock golem (no xmute), peons (xmute lvl 1), Blank golem (no xmute), Lizzard (no xmute)
Lvl 3 : Owl scout (no xmute + no charm ?), Mana dragon (no xmute), Demolisher (xmute lvl 3 or not)
For newts there isn't good answer for now because we don't really know how they will be nerfed.
For peons, it's debatable. Some players will say "Eh, you can xmute peons at lvl 1 and charm at lvl 2, WTF !!". I just think (peons charm lvl 2) could be nice because if a team wants to killl all kind of creeps they have to go xmute + charm. But the drawback is that they could put less pressure while their opponents could take druids, explosion, DT, etc.
Goatzilla isn't bad at all. It's just that some other creeps are way more op. It's why i'm agreed with that
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jsut because most people dont get them they should be higher level to charm?
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