Palestinians should stop launch rockets in Israel side and Israel should stop stop block Palestine in economic side. Its 2very old nations but jews too nacionalists for agree that in Israel can live other nation with own authonomy. My opinion when polyticans play own national plays bigest damage getting not ego polyticans but poor people who forced leave own land for prevence violance.
What I don't understand is how a small area like Israel expanded and after expanding it felt threatened. So it bombs civilians for self defense? I quote "Our goal is not to hurt a single individual, not to hurt a single civilian,” the Israeli prime minister said.
There's a reason why every neighboring country of Israel hates Israel.
That being said, both countries are douches. Israel is a douche for trying to keep expanding for no flipping reason after the UN already stole Palestine's land for Israel **(Shouldn't Israel be thankful and apologetic to Palestine for having stolen the land?)
And Palestine is a douche for trying to keep bombing to get it back **(Totally UN fault... lol but no comments there because hey! look at how korea was made xDDD)
and both are douches because.. well, they keep fighting each other and spreading hate....
i think both sides should calm down but hey! Life is like CHF forum. xDDD
What I don't understand is how a small area like Israel expanded and after expanding it felt threatened. So it bombs civilians for self defense? I quote "Our goal is not to hurt a single individual, not to hurt a single civilian,” the Israeli prime minister said.
http://www.worldliteraturetoday.org/sites/default/files/2012/May/palestinian-loss-of-land-1946-2010.jpg << lottr's pic in the spoiler
You just lack some facts for understanding whats going on in the current round of conflict between Gaza and Israel just like how that map lacks the actions that led to Israel expanding.
since you started in history you might want to read up a bit
First off that 1946 map is not accurate even if only for the fact that a Palestine country did not exist seeing as the UN plan for the founding of Israel and Palestine was only formed in 1947.
UN plan basically said that in 1948 the British forces (which currently occupied and ruled the area map 1946 above called Palestine) would leave and 2 independent states, namely Israel and Palestine would be founded.
While the Jews accepted the UN resolution most Arab leaders rejected the UN resolution and declared war on budding Israel. (want to deny the fact that the arabs didnt accept UN proposal? too bad, there are a lot of sources for my claim, both arabian and Jewish)
By then said borders held no real meaning as the UN was not around to protect Israel from here menacing neighbors.
Israel was and is a country surrounded by Arabian countries who attacked it the moment the British left. so happened that Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, and Iraq
After that Israel managed to not only hold them off but also to connect the parts of Israel territory that were mostly disconnected by the UN resolution (if you want to know how just founded Israel won vs armies of various countries? go read some history books
In 1967 there was also a war instigated by Israel's neighbors which again ended in Israel surviving and connecting her territories better.
Just in case you aren't big on geography, Israel is MUCH MUCH MUCH smaller then any of her neighbors which means withdrawing from any territory puts us in much tactical danger
(for whatever reason it seems that most people around the globe do not realize how tiny the country called Israel is) Israel compared to the Egypt http://www.iris.org.il/sizemaps/egypt.htm
Israel compared to the Iraq http://www.iris.org.il/sizemaps/iraq.htm
Israel compared to the Arabian world http://www.iris.org.il/images/arabwld3.gif
Israel compared to France http://www.iris.org.il/sizemaps/france.htm
Israel compared to the USA http://www.iris.org.il/images/usa.gif
Now after I addressed that map you posted at the start of your post lottr i can address the current state of affairs
First some order is needed. The conflict is between Israel and Gaza
Gaza strip is ruled by an organization called Hamas which is acknowledged by governments around the world as a terror organization
Which is also why no country speaks with a representative of Hamas and instead all talks about cease-fire etc must go through a mediator like Egypt who is willing to talk to said terrorists.
the current conflict started when Hamas started shooting rockets on Israel (as you may know every couple of years Hamas amasses enough rockets to try to destroy the Zionist being aka Israel)
the difference from previous conflicts is that the range of Hamas's rockets is now enough to cover almost all Israel, which means a few times each day there is an alarm in my city and I am
forced to go to a shelter. where i am located i have 1 minute to get to a shelter before the rocket gets to my area
the closer to gaze the more frequent those alarms get and less time to get to shelter down to 15 seconds
so as any country who wants to keep her citizens safe Israel started air raiding Gaza aiming for Hamas. granted, Israel's firepower is much more powerful then Hamas's but i dare any country to take non stop rockets into their territories and do nothing!
mind you when Israel bombs Gaza it first sends messages to Gaza citizens to clear the area and at the same time Hamas tells them to stay put
Hamas also hides in schools and hospitals and are actually terrorizing Gaza's citizens, that is if you wondered how they got classified as a terrorists and not a government.
several days into the aggression Egypt offered a cease fire as the mediator between Israel and Hamas and Israel accepted BUT Hamas kept shooting rockets at Israel.
and the day after Hamas sent terrorists directly into Israel using tunnels which they had dug for years in order to try to massacre Israeli citizens.
They were stopped by our army and after that Israel finally took ground action in order to destroy all those tunnels which threaten the lives of its citizens. (you don't agree? just imagine a couple of armed terrorists just showing up in your city starting a killing frenzy then disappearing in a tunnel)
A couple days after the red cross passed to israel a cease fire for 2 hours by Hamas for humanitarian reasons, (recovering bodies helping wounded etc) Israel did cease-fire while Hamas kept firing rockets.
A few days after that and here we are in the present. you don't agree with any of the above? feel free to respond
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No its war for Territory
Israel had occupied Gaza several years back, then we withdrew in hopes of peace, obviously that back fired.
Israel has no intention what so ever of ruling Gaza and Hamas is doing its bombing under religious or whatever reason terrorists do things for but you should seriously doubt Hamas's ability to take territory from Israel considering they are just using terror tactics...
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There's a reason why every neighboring country of Israel hates Israel.
Funny, you see, each of our neighboring countries hates USA as well
But you do forget that we have a peace treaty with Egypt and Jordan
Lebanon is a pretty small player and Syria is a dictatorship which during its civil war not long ago all of Europe and America loved to hate and are of course hated back by Syria, was also the same situation with the dictatorship and civil war in Egypt also really not long ago.
I need not mention how much iraq hates you western world people and of-course Iran hates you and a lot of Arab countries like Iraq.
Any of you Iranian or Iraqi etc are welcome to prove me wrong
I think every person in this post needs to have a reality check except the person above me. The Jews were given Israel as a place of refuge post WW-II where not only the Germans but the Muslims(Palestines) were trying to eradicate them. So when they are given the land, the Muslims(Palestinians) decided to fight them and try to destroy them, so what should Israel do? When you are threatened for eradication as a country what do you do? You drive them back. You make sure they cannot come and harm you again. Why do you think the Israelis go so hard after the Iranians and PLO? Because they are trying to destroy them. For the last few decades Israel has been sabotaging all effort for nuclear warfare developed by neighboring countries.
Basically if you don't support Israel for trying to save their asses there is something wrong with you as a person morally and ethically. Please don't ever say that Israel is wrong to defend itself again. They are not murdering hundreds of helpless people, they are fighting back against the people that are and have been trying to kill them for 70 years(since WW-II). In the words of Macchiavelli, Sun Tzu, and Mao Zedong, "The best defense is a good offense."
Lol israel was given land after WWII. The land at first was occupied by the Palestinians. But the UN said f that lets give it to the jews because no other countries wanted to take in the jews. Anyway all the neighboring countries disapproved. UN said f that who cares what can go wrong as long as we dont have to deal with these fuckbois. Later, war broke out and israel won with its unlimited cash flow from other countries. Now israel kills Palestinian civilians in the name of self-defense. First they take Palestinian's homes, land and now lives.
Even though the israelis had no claim to that land whatsoever, they still got it. Lmfao ridic.
They should take Gaza and the West Bank and form it into a new country Palestine. Even though that whole area was Palestinian land in the first place. #prayforpalestine
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They were given their land BACK to them. It wasn't taken from the Palestines. Notice how Jerusalem is located in Israel? It originally belonged to the Hebrews(Jews). Israel was the Jews original home that they were pushed from. They are not murdering innocent civilians. You are dead wrong about that. The sites that you read reporting the death tolls of 600 Civilians are dead wrong. Look at the sites. Most of them are Muslim Pro-PLO organizations. Basically, the Israelis are fighting to secure their lives, while the Palestinians are fighting to eradicate the Jews.
Added (22-Jul-2014, 7:55 PM) --------------------------------------------- if the form rule Violence Refer to extremely violent real life actions is lifted on the thread only it would be nice
Lol are u srs, killerbeans ur a delusional idiot smfh kys
Added (22-Jul-2014, 9:21 PM) --------------------------------------------- Palestine was originally occupied by the Jews in the 7th century. They left and the Arabs occupied it for over 1300 years. It's not the jew's land anymore. That's like me coming to your house (that your ancestors have been living in for hundreds of years) and saying, "sorry bro someone of my lineage lived here thousands of years ago so this is now my house and im kicking u out pce jajajaja"
Added (22-Jul-2014, 9:27 PM) --------------------------------------------- and the death tolls are fake and written by pro muslim sites? Are you kidding? Ignorance at it's finest omg....
PLO is an acronym short for Palestinian Liberation Oranization. To call them anything short of terrorist would be wrong. They have murdered tens of thousands of people in violent attacks in the middle east and elsewhere, mostly against Jews. The sites that are reporting the death tolls for the Palestinians in Gaza are in favor of this organizations existence and mission. They are biased against the Jews. You need to wait for one of the unbiased reliable sources to report a breakdown of military-civilian casualties. Until then, you cannot trust any numbers put out. It is definitely not 600 civilians dead though. 600 is the total, not the civilian count. At least a portion of that is armed forces. So while you demand proof, tell me realistically that out of 600 total dead, 0 are soldiers. The news sites that are reporting these stats are in favor of the PLO and therefore are biased in the way that they report their information. If the forum rule about violence is lifted, don't forget that also lets me post all the anti-Semitic acts of violence that the Palestinians of Gaza have committed against the Jewish in Israel.
So no, the Israelis have been better for the Palestinians than even other Muslim groups, and the Palestinians still fight and try to eradicate them. Now that the Israeli government decides to finally fight back after trying to reach peace with them, they get attacked by news sources for human rights. Where were all of you when the Muslims and Palestinians blew up the Twin Towers? Where were you in the Spanish and British train bombings calling for their heads? Don't even begin to give me that sh1t. The fact that this is even debatable is despicable.
@Web-Ghost: Hamas is also a terrorist organization. The Palestinian government is also evil. Stop trying to say that the Palestinians are innocent. The Israelis gave the long enough. Lets take away the fact that they are nations, and replace it with people. Say you had been trying to reach out and make peace with a long lost brother for the last 20 years, but all they want to do is create trouble. Now lets say they start sabotaging your personal life. Say they decide that you don't need your new house and so they burn it down. They think that you don't deserve your children so they kill them. Now say you ask them to stop and they say no. Now what do you do? You go after them with great enough force to destroy them utterly. My favorite book cannot put it better:
“In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then in that very moment I also love him. I think it's impossible to really understand somebody, what they want, what they believe, and not love them the way they love themselves. And then, in that very moment when I love them –" "You beat them." For a moment she was not afraid of his understanding. "No, you don't understand. I destroy them. I make it impossible for them to ever hurt me again. I grind them and grind them until they don't exist." -Ender's Game.
BBC and Huff Post are both pro Muslim, CNN gets their info from those sources.
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and the death tolls are fake and written by pro muslim sites?
No, the civilian toll is misrepresented. Who do you think is reporting the death toll in Gaza, the Israelis or the Palestinians?
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Palestine was originally occupied by the Jews in the 7th century. They left and the Arabs occupied it for over 1300 years. It's not the jew's land anymore. That's like me coming to your house (that your ancestors have been living in for hundreds of years) and saying, "sorry bro someone of my lineage lived here thousands of years ago so this is now my house and im kicking u out pce jajajaja"
It is like if I had been kicked out of my house and put into slavery, then when I come back to reclaim it, the inhabitant tries to blow me to pieces. The Jews have been in some kind of suppression and genocide since the Babylonians, through the Romans, through the Muslim/Palestinian involvement, and through the Germans, when it was finally given back to them, what was rightfully theirs. It is not as if they just got up out of their house and left, it is more like someone went into their house, shoved a shotgun in their face, and said get out, this is mine now.
