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3.7b or 3.8 w/e should be focused on Balance
SOUNDWAVESDate: Saturday, 02-Jul-2011, 8:30 AM | Message # 1
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For me, this 3.7 version disappointed me so much. Because I lost every win codes but almost nothing changed.
well donation and mr glitch has been fixed though. Anyway we lost lots code users and they stoped saving codes like me.
whatever..

1st off plz fix this 2 bugging skills and volcano
Mana drain and sprit link. most of the time this sprit link doesn't working and mana drain can't fill ally mana
volcano still stuns and damaging ally units.

#2 high level AOEs should cost much more mana (like 2 or 3 time then now)
Carrion swarm, shockwave, impale, frost nova, blizzard, impale, Forked lighten, Chain lighten and etc
these skills are completly breaking skill balances. especially at SSD.
skill damage is fine but these high level skills are costing only few mana.
So ppl doesn't have to make items. instead they can use tome and they can pool.

100 gold mana potion can fill 600 mana, and lv6 carrion swarm needs only 175 mana. so you can use it 3 time by 100 gold mana potion but you can earn so much more gold from 3 time lv6 carrion swarm. u can take 90 gold from killing one mortal team. so what if you use it to mass gathered mortal team then you can earn more than 2000 gold.
honestly this is bs. and this is why most of ppl prefer aoes instead of creative build.
So in my opinion those aoes should be increased at each of level. And every level 6 aoes should cost like 300~400 mana.
level 20 medivh have 1200 mana point without item so it's not a big deal.

#3 Balance summons
-Bear is the best at any case. Especially level 6 bear is best at HK, UK, BK whatever and it can also tank.
(give some more golds when ppl kill lv6 bear and keep spell immunity but delete Resistant skin from bear)
so at least quill beast and sprit wolf should take best hk title. these 2 summon's feed back should be buffed like 6mana.
(also hope lv4 quill beast have feed back and each level of Pig need 200 more HP cuz this creep isn't magic immune)
Some ppl thinks that wolf is good at hk but it isn't true. it can be easily dispelled and also weak at Kill Steal.

-Beatles and lava is failed summon. It only works against a player who started this game for the first time.

-summon stones. Naga siren upgrades takes too much time. these 2 skills (frost armor and cyclone) are not worthy to upgrade. 1stt off naga siren is too weak. second these skills are not that good, cyclone only works like 3~5sec to hero.
and about lv6 birds, wish it had 300 MP and not be dispelled. since bat-rider is on creep shop it is so easy to counter air unit.

#4 Items.
-light speed shoes is cheap compare with fist of titan. recipe price should be changed like titan = 1500, light shoe = 2000

-stealth cloak is still expensive. total cost is same as lv1 ww. but I would rather build 3 vault shop and would take 12 invisible potion.
total cost should be like 1500. (cloak of shadow=100, receipe=100) but still not worthy to make.

-Silence staff. Idk where I should use this. it cost 150 gold for one silence. but 225 gold rat have much more area and duration, also it can use forever.
what if this staff is same as level 5 or 6 silence then its worth to buy.

-Saving staff. 1k is too expensive. if you take this for mind raped hero then I would suggest 250 amulet of recall. at least u can take back your money from hk.
400 gold might be enough. this item cost only 250 gold in ladder but there are lots of things that you should save.
but in chf there are only 4 things that you should save. mind raped hero, creep, 2 ally hero. that's all.

-teleportation staff. this is expensive too sad
unless this item guarantees invulnerable while you teleport, this item should be cost less then town portal.

Well there are some any other useful items and stuff like nuke, spiked chain armor, terror armor in this chf game but people doesn't use it by wrong price policy. But what if you wanna enjoy this more than 1hour in 1 game then it doesn't matter wacko

#5 Unfamous skills
well.. you might know.

w/e about charm. level 3 charm can steal rock golem without CD. But still people doesn't pick as ulti.
what if lv1, lv2 charm can also steal rock golem, do you think ppl will choose this as ulti? well Idk but it would be better than now.

Give some 2~3 second invulnerable to hero when aoe ulti casted. at least death tower or infernal, doom guard can kill some units till it die.
but thesse ultis like starfall or stampede can be canceled right after someone cast. I haven't seen anyone who picking these kind ulti at inhouse game.

#6 ETC
-Rock golem is too over powered creep. to me. it doesn't matter when I have stacked team vs stacked team goleming user.
but it's almost impossible to counter with pub vs stacked decent goleming user. and even it's possible to killing golems I have to sacrifice lots of things.
this golem throwing rock skill CD should be nerfed like 8~10 sec. And hope this creep level is 5 not 8

-owl creep. this creep should be used for mana flare. So please delete true sight from this creep. instead giving lv1 or 2 devotion aura might be better.
also sometimes its confusing with owl summon. Wish this creep skin has been changed to fairly dragon. increase first stock delay so let it can't be use it at mass.
I was the first one who used this creep during mass. but this creep makes little bit unfair game. because pub team never try to dispell this. w/e.
Give this creep much more hp like 550~850 point with evasion and magic immunity but can be hitted by physical attack. increase first stock delay and price and buff mana flare.

-Godzila?. w/e I think if this creep have 75% spell reduction with 20sec haste time then it would be useful. but it still can be transmuted.

And about tech. I was undead tier5 without upgrade and computer was tier5 25/25 upgrade night elf. but undead abomination won at battle without hero support.
But I have no idea....
w/e In my opinion best tier1 unit is grunt, tier2 is skell warrior, tier3 is spell breaker, tier4 and tier5 is abomination

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please take these suggestions at next version




Rest in Peace Rookies


Message edited by soundwave - Monday, 04-Jul-2011, 6:48 AM
 
flamefusionDate: Saturday, 02-Jul-2011, 9:15 AM | Message # 2
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#2 high level AOEs should cost much more mana (like 2 or 3 time then now)
Carrion swarm, shockwave, impale, frost nova, blizzard, impale, Forked lighten, Chain lighten and etc

Totally wrong, it's fine..

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light shoe = 2000

It's still good..

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#5 Unfamous skills
well.. you might know.

w/e about charm. level 3 charm can steal rock golem without CD. But still people doesn't pick as ulti.
what if lv1, lv2 charm can also steal rock golem, do you think ppl will choose this as ulti? well Idk but it would be better than now.

Give some 2~3 second invulnerable to hero when aoe ulti casted. at least death tower or infernal, doom guard can kill some units till it die.
but thesse ultis like starfall or stampede can be canceled right after someone cast. I haven't seen anyone who picking these kind ulti at inhouse game.

Agreed, Starfall needs some damage buff..and if someone stuns us while we're using these kind of ulti, it sux so much...
There should be something to avoid stuns while doing this tongue



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AntyoneDate: Saturday, 02-Jul-2011, 9:27 AM | Message # 3
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volcano still stuns and damaging ally units.


correct me if im wrong but Im 99% sure bond said something like "it can't be changed, thats part of the game that cannot be changed"

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#2 high level AOEs should cost much more mana (like 2 or 3 time then now)


completely agree, especially because of the fact that lvl 20 heros mana regen is pretty good, not to mention if somebody gets the staff that adds up to mana and regen as well, there is also pet and mid shop.

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-Beatles and lava is failed summon. It only works against a player who started this game for the first time.


not true, though when teams are fair or at the same levels I agree, easily dispelled.

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Naga siren upgrades takes too much time. these 2 skills (frost armor and cyclone) are not worthy to upgrade.


would be awesome if these spells would be auto, like sorcs/priests on ladder honestly its hard to control hero, creeps/units + your nagas to buff your own units. the upgrades are taking a long time as well I agree, the stone disappears short after the upgrade is done.

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Give some 2~3 second invulnerable to hero when aoe ulti casted. at least death tower or infernal, doom guard can kill some units till it die.
but thesse ultis like starfall or stampede can be canceled right after someone cast. I haven't seen anyone who picking these kind ulti at inhouse game.


true and I agree, even 4-5 seconds, it works with ww but honestly who doesnt use dust/rats or whatever. besides not everybody picks ww but on the other hand you can be sure that somebody has stuns.


 
SOUNDWAVESDate: Saturday, 02-Jul-2011, 10:33 AM | Message # 4
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correct me if im wrong but Im 99% sure bond said something like "it can't be changed, thats part of the game that cannot be changed"


hmm I am not a map maker so I am not sure about it but I have other custom game that volcano doesn't affect ally units and hero.
what if bond wants then I can host it but it's korean version sad




Rest in Peace Rookies
 
AChineseKidDate: Saturday, 02-Jul-2011, 11:20 AM | Message # 5
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I agree with all of this balance is way necessary because only people that are good or have good micro or something even use all the shops but all pubs don't even use half of the shops... it needs alot of balance
 
i-rape-pandasDate: Saturday, 02-Jul-2011, 8:27 PM | Message # 6
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i agree with the balancing

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i like it :P


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Alex[STAR]Date: Sunday, 03-Jul-2011, 7:35 AM | Message # 7
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So please delete true sight from this creep

cry :'(

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Agreed, Starfall needs some damage buff..and if someone stuns us while we're using these kind of ulti, it sux so much...
There should be something to avoid stuns while doing this


It's a legit counter to starfall, why remove?

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#2 high level AOEs should cost much more mana (like 2 or 3 time then now)
Carrion swarm, shockwave, impale, frost nova, blizzard, impale, Forked lighten, Chain lighten and etc

Indeed


 
i-connectDate: Sunday, 03-Jul-2011, 3:19 PM | Message # 8
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I think Lightning boots is good enough if you can compare to slippers. It might be too expensive compare to slippers. If it is riased no shit of getting it slipper would be better.
 
PinasDate: Monday, 04-Jul-2011, 4:30 AM | Message # 9
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#2 high level AOEs should cost much more mana (like 2 or 3 time then now)
Carrion swarm, shockwave, impale, frost nova, blizzard, impale, Forked lighten, Chain lighten and etc

Totally wrong, it's fine..

Says the one who always goes ww and 2 of those AoEs.


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flamefusionDate: Monday, 04-Jul-2011, 7:19 AM | Message # 10
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Says the one who always goes ww and 2 of those AoEs.

hahah made me laugh, i don't go ww these days and didn't used to go ww builds much be4..
now stop flaming bro.



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SOUNDWAVESDate: Tuesday, 05-Jul-2011, 6:20 PM | Message # 11
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Delete Donation Ultimate .
I am not talking about donation glitch. This skill can be used very badly. you can make 2 TOT and Tier 5units with mass upgrade in a 17min.

Also that Force field CD is too short. cd should be Nerfed. +10~20 sec more.

p.s) and I was wrong lv6 swarm cost only 175 mana. level 6 shockwave cost 200 mana. if any Mod see this, can you edit my post and delete this p.s plz.




Rest in Peace Rookies


Message edited by soundwave - Tuesday, 05-Jul-2011, 6:52 PM
 
LadyInYellowDate: Tuesday, 05-Jul-2011, 6:26 PM | Message # 12
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Yap.. Force field ult's time limit is 2 op
1 forcefield with bears and blizz rapes melee
and the time is like 40 sec..should be 1 min
 
BikiniandPunaniDate: Wednesday, 06-Jul-2011, 11:01 PM | Message # 13
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lmao... lady u made me laugh my ass off in last 10 min i read ur comments on forum, i was gona write something for one of them!!! some funny shit bud... looool
 
AChineseKidDate: Wednesday, 06-Jul-2011, 11:36 PM | Message # 14
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I think Lightning boots is good enough if you can compare to slippers. It might be too expensive compare to slippers. If it is riased no shit of getting it slipper would be better.

yea dont raise shit cuz as we already discovered the reason why lightspeeds are more expensive, its cuz you build up to it instead of just straight saving.
 
LadyInYellowDate: Wednesday, 06-Jul-2011, 11:53 PM | Message # 15
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hate u bik..lol
 
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